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How explosive is this?

Three weeks before he died, the Archbishop wrote this:

http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/Lettr ... am_No1.pdf

If anybody would like to offer a translation, I'm sure many of us would be most grateful.

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Our oldest son is particularly adept at "translating" difficult handwriting. However, only my Wife here has some French, and at the moment she is much too busy with wedding plans for our middle son to spend any time on it. Perhaps after we have put the entire letter into readable format, Mr. Daly would translate it?

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Here's the text transliterated, Ken:

LE DERNIER TEXTE DE MONSEIGNEUR LEFEBVRE

Présentation du premier numéro de la
DOCUMENTATION SUR LA RÉVOLUTION DANS L’ÉGLISE

Monsieur l'Abbé Giulio Tam, membre de la Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint Pie X, d'origine italienne, recevant quotidiennement l'Osservatore Romano, journal officiel de la Curie Romaine, a cru bon, pour l'information de ses confrères, de collectionner les passages les plus significatifs des discours du Pape et des autorités romaines sur les sujets les plus actuels.

Ce regroupement jette une lumière tellement fulgurante sur la Révolution doctrinale inaugurée officiellement dans l'Église par le Concile et continuée jusqu'à nos jours, qu'on ne peut s'empêcher de penser au "Siège d'iniquité" prédit par Léon XIII, ou à la perte de la foi de Rome prédite par Notre Dame à la Salette.

La diffusion et l'adhésion des autorités romaines aux erreurs maçonniques condamnées maintes fois par leurs prédécesseurs est un grand mystère d'iniquité qui ruine dans ses fondements la foi catholique.

Cette dure et pénible réalité nous oblige en conscience à organiser par nous-mêmes la défense et la protection de notre foi catholique. Le fait d'être assis sur les sièges de l'autorité n'est plus, hélas ! une garantie de l'orthodoxie de la foi de ceux qui les occupent. LE PAPE LUI-MÊME DIFFUSE DÉSORMAIS SANS DISCONTINUER LES PRINCIPES D'UNE FAUSSE RELIGION, QUI A POUR RÉSULTAT UNE APOSTASIE GÉNÉRALE.

Nous donnons donc ci-joint les textes, sans commentaires. Les lecteurs pourront juger par eux-mêmes, et par les textes des papes d'avant le Concile.

Cette lecture justifie amplement notre conduite pour l'entretien et la restauration du Règne de Notre Seigneur Jésus-Christ et de Sa Sainte Mère sur la terre comme au Ciel.

Le restaurateur de la chrétienté c'est le prêtre par l'offrande du vrai sacrifice, par la collation des vrais sacrements, par l'enseignement du vrai catéchisme, par son rôle de pasteur vigilant pour le salut des âmes.

C'est auprès de ces vrais prêtres fidèles que les chrétiens doivent se regrouper et organiser toute la vie chrétienne. Tout esprit de méfiance envers les prêtres qui méritent la confiance, diminue la solidité et la fermeté de la résistance contre les destructeurs de la foi.

Saint Jean termine son Apocalypse par cet appel "Veni Domine Jesu", Venez Seigneur Jésus, apparaissez enfin sur les nuées du Ciel, manifestez votre toute puissance, que votre Règne soit universel et éternel.

Ecône, le 4 Mars 1991, Marcel Lefebvre

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Partial and rough translation.

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This selection [of recent texts from L’Osservatore Romano] sheds so dramatic a light on the doctrinal Revolution officially inaugurated in the Church by the Council and continued to the present, we cannot help but think "Seat of iniquity" predicted by Leo XIII, or loss of faith of Rome predicted by Our Lady at La Salette.

The Roman authorities' adhesion to, and their diffusion of, the Masonic errors condemned repeatedly by their predecessors is a great mystery of iniquity which ruins the foundations of the Catholic Faith. This harsh and painful reality obliges us in conscience to organise the defence of our Catholic Faith on our own. The fact of sitting in the seat of authority is no longer, alas, a guarantee of orthodoxy of the faith of those sitting there! The Pope is now ceaselessly diffusing the principles of a false religion, the result of which is a general apostasy.

We therefore give herewith the texts, without commentary, for the year 1990. readers will be able to judge for themselves and by the texts of the Popes of before the Council.

This reading amply justifies our conduct for the support maintenance and restoration of the Reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Holy Mother on earth as in Heaven.

The restorer of Christianity is the priest by the offering of the true sacrifice, by the giving of true sacraments, by teaching the true catechism, by his role as vigilant pastor for the salvation of souls.

It is true that with these faithful priests Christians must come together and organize the whole Christian life. Any spirit of distrust of priests who deserve trust, reduces the strength and steadfastness of the resistance against the destroyers of the faith.

St. John's Apocalypse ends with this call "Veni Domine Jesu," Come Lord Jesus, appear at last in the clouds of heaven, show Thy almighty power, that Thy kingdom is universal and eternal.

Econe, 4th March 1991
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It would certainly be interesting to post this text to this thread on AQ from 2008: http://www.angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=260376

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Well, if nobody will translate it I can help, just let me know :)


BTW, where are the texts??? :D

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See above, Cristian. :D

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I am working on it! Have a rough copy right now. Some of his writing is hard to decipher but I can get most of it.

BTW, Cristian - thanks for the clarification on the other translation. No worries about offending me - as you did not. :)


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Dear Larie,

The transcribed text is above. So you don't need to decipher the handwriting (although I found two errors, so there may be more). And I've done a rough translation of most of it, also above, so it shouldn't be too hard to correct that. That is, I hope it will save work - maybe it will add to the work. :)

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John Lane wrote:
See above, Cristian. :D


I mean those of Fr Tam of which this letter of Lefebvre is the presentation :)

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Larie wrote:
I am working on it!


Great :)

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BTW, Cristian - thanks for the clarification on the other translation. No worries about offending me - as you did not. :)


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Cristian Jacobo wrote:
John Lane wrote:
See above, Cristian. :D


I mean those of Fr Tam of which this letter of Lefebvre is the presentation :)


Ah. :)

As I understand it, when he was a member of the SSPX he published an annual collection of quotes from L'Osservatore Romano which were relevant to the Revolution, in brochure form. He was doing this as far back as 1985, and there is a pdf of the 1985 issue of his brochure on his Web site: http://www.marcel-lefebvre-tam.com/

However this new Preface for his brochure written by Archbishop L. in 1991 is not on his site, as far as I can see, and also the wording of the introductory section is somewhat confusing in that it refers to the "first" edition of the brochure, when in fact it wasn't the first. Perhaps Fr. Tam put out several per year, and this was the first for 1991.

I found the original above by searching for the "Notes of the Revolution in the Church" in Italian, which gave me Fr. Tam's Web site, then when I didn't find it there, I searched for it in French, which then took me to a site I find utterly repulsive, but which had the scan and transcription published. But they don't appear to have the 1991 edition of "Notes of the Revolution in the Church" itself - just the Preface by the Archbishop. So if you can find the 1991 edition this preface was prepended to, please do! (Not that I think it's necessarily of any particular value - it's the Preface which counts).

I did ask John Daly to translate it, but he doesn't have any spare time at present, however he did very kindly correct part of the rough translation I have published above.

This text is a very important one for several reasons.

1. It's the last thing the Archbishop wrote for publication.
2. It displays an apocalyptic outlook all through, which is underlined by the closing reference to the Apocalypse itself, and Our Lord's expected return. This places the reference to the "general apostasy" in context and fixes its meaning. Likewise the Scriptural term, "mystery of iniquity" which alludes to Thessalonians and is again an apocalyptic reference. But more so, it specifically references the "taking away" of "that which witholdest" which is the Roman Pontiff. See Manning's The Present Crisis of the Holy See Tested by Prophecy republished by Tradibooks as "The Pope and the Antichrist" for the exegesis of Thessalonians and also Daniel and much else. It's a must-read.
3. It proves beyond any possibility of refutation that Archbishop Lefebvre believed in the prophecy of La Salette relating to Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of Antichrist. This should be published on every blog and forum on the Internet. Everybody who seeks to discredit this prophecy should be made to do so in this light - that they are disagreeing with Archbishop Lefebvre. That won't stop most of them, but it will re-frame the debate.
4. It shows that three weeks before his death, Archbishop Lefebvre still referred to JP2 as "pope" so it seems that the hypothesis held by some that he died a sedevacantist is unfounded. This isn't particularly important - the value of it is that it is solid data so that this particular question can be put to bed. There's always value in settling things.

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Here is a complete corrected version of the text in English with some comments from me beneath :

Introduction
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Father Giulio Tam, a member of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X of Italian origin, who receives daily the “Osservatore Romano”, the official journal of the Roman Curia, has thought good, for the information of his confreres, to gather together the most significant passages from the discourses of the Pope and the Roman authorities about the most topical subjects.
The collection sheds such brilliant light on the doctrinal Revolution officially inaugurated in the Church during the Council and continued up to our days that one cannot help thinking of the “seat of iniquity” foretold by Leo XIII, or of Rome losing the faith foretold by Our Lady at La Salette.
The diffusion and adherence of the Roman authorities to the Masonic errors many times condemned by their predecessors is a great mystery of iniquity which ruins the Catholic faith in its foundations.
This harsh and painful reality obliges us in conscience to organise on our own the defence of our Catholic Faith. The fact of sitting in the seats of authority is no longer, alas, a guarantee of the orthodoxy of the faith of those who occupy them. The Pope himself now ceaselessly spreads the principles of a false religion, the result of which is a general apostasy.

We therefore give herewith the texts, without commentary, for the year 1990. Readers will be able to judge for themselves and by the texts of the Popes of before the Council.

Reading them amply justifies our conduct for the maintenance and restoration of the Reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Holy Mother on earth as in Heaven.

The restorer of Christianity is the priest, by offering the true sacrifice, by conferring true sacraments, by teaching the true catechism, by his role of vigilant shepherd for the salvation of souls.

It is around true and faithful priests that Christians must group themselves and organise the whole Christian life. All spirit of distrust towards the priests who merit confidence diminishes the solidity and the firmness of the resistance against the destroyers of the faith.

Saint John closes his Apocalypse by this appeal : “Veni Domine Jesu,” Come Lord Jesus, appear at length upon the clouds of Heaven, manifest Thine omnipotence. May Thy reign be universal and everlasting.

Écône, 4th March 1991
+ Marcel Lefebvre


Notes by J. S. Daly

1. The Archbishop is writing an Introduction to accompany the publication of a selection of texts of John-Paul II and other high-ranking Roman sources chosen by Father Tam from the Osservatore Romano to shed light on the crisis in the Church. Fr Tam’s collections appear on his website http://www.marcel-lefebvre-tam.com. In the books section the 1990 collection is given as Number 1.
2. The Archbishop uses three scriptural allusions apocalyptic in character : “mystery of iniquity”, “general apostasy” and “Come Lord Jesus,” the final words of the Apocalypse.
3. The Archbishop alludes to two non-scriptural apocalyptic sources : first to Pope Leo XIII’s long prayer to saint Michael which said, “In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered;” secondly to a text known as the “Secret of La Salette” and widely circulated despite repeated condemnations by the Holy Office and at least one mention in the Index of Forbidden Books. This text predicts that “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of Antichrist”.
4. The Archbishop continues to refer to John-Paul II as “pope” despite declaring that he is ceaselessly spreading a false religion and must be ignored in defending the faith. In another passage he refers to those “sitting in the seats of authority”.
5. The general flavour of the Archbishop’s text appears to go beyond its scope as an introduction to a short collection of extracts from the Osservatore Romano. By giving general advice about trust in priests and general comments about preserving the faith during the crisis, the Archbishop seems to intend his words to be read and applied widely. The striking final appeal “Come Lord Jesus” coupled with the author’s death at 85 a few weeks later, without having written any later public document, invites the view that this text is in some sense the Archbishop’s last will and testament.
6. If Archbishop Lefebvre is bequeathing us in this text his final guidance and definitive judgement about the present crisis, it seems that it can be summarised as follows :
a. The crisis we are living through is essentially due to fundamental falsification of the Catholic faith on the part of the occupants of Rome during the Council and since.
b. As of 1991 there was no sign of improvement in the situation.
c. This corruption of the faith is revolutionary and Masonic in origin, radical in kind and apocalyptic in its consequences.
d. It is essential not to confuse the New Mass, new sacraments and new catechisms with the true Mass, true sacraments and true catechism.
e. It is essential to distrust entirely the Roman authorities who, though continuing to occupy their offices, in fact represent not Christ but Antichrist.
f. The preservation of the faith must be organized privately around trustworthy priests.
7. The Archbishop’s words can be fruitfully compared with others dating from the closing years of his life which manifest the consistency of the Archbishop’s views on the above points. For example :
a. “Rome has lost the faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words, they are not words in the air that I am saying. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy. These people can no longer be trusted. They have left the Church, left the Church. They are leaving the Church. It’s sure, sure, sure… (…)
b. “I summed it up to Cardinal Ratzinger : ‘Your Eminence, look, even if you grant us a bishop (…), we cannot collaborate ; it’s impossible, impossible. (…) For us, Christ is all. Our Lord Jesus Christ is everything, He is our life. And you are doing the opposite.’ (…) There you are. We can’t understand one another. That, I assure you, is the summary. One cannot follow those people. (…) It’s inconceivable, inconceivable (…) It’s unbelievable, unbelievable ! So how could anyone imagine that one could trust such people ? It is no longer possible.” (September or October 1987 address to seminarians. The interview with Ratzinger referred to had taken place on 14th July 1987.)
c. Likewise in his letter to the four bishops he was about to consecrate in 1988 the Archbishop had stated, “the See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by Antichrists, the destruction of the Reign of Our Lord continues…”
d. In his letter of 25th January 1987 he wrote : “This overturning of the faith seems indeed to be preparing the way for the Antichrist in accordance with the prophecies of Saint Paul to the Thessalonians and in accordance with the commentaries of the Fathers.”


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Dear friends, Salve Maria!

While I was looking for an English version to this "Testament" of Mgr. Lefebvre's, before reading Mr. Daly's translation and comments, I came upon an address that the Archbishop gave to his priests in Écône on September 6, 1990, where he also mentions Father Tam's compilation:

"Now the official Church is persevering, we might say pertinaciously, in the false ideas and grave errors of Vatican II, that much is clear. Father Tam is sending us from Mexico a number of copies of a piece of work he is doing, most interesting work, because he is compiling cuttings from the Osservatore Romano, hence cuttings from Rome's official newspaper with speeches of the Pope, of Cardinal Casaroli and Cardinal Ratzinger, official texts of the Church, and so on. It is interesting, because such documents of public record are irrefutable, being published by the Osservatore Romano, so there is no doubting their authenticity. Well, these texts are astounding, quite astounding!"

More than as a mere curiosity, the reason I quote this address is because in it, Archbishop Lefebvre makes yet another Scriptural allusion apocalyptic in character that seemed to me worthy of mention:

“[...] when we look behind us, we see we are still not as unfortunate as those Catholics expropriated at the beginning of this century, who found themselves out on the street with nothing. That may happen to us one day, [...] But we must count on the Good Lord, on the grace of the Good Lord. What is going to happen? I do not know. Perhaps the coming of Elias! I was just reading this morning in Holy Scripture, Elias will return and put everything back in place!"Et omnia restituet" —"and he will restore all things." Goodness gracious, let him come straightaway! I do not know.
(Archbishop LEFEBVRE, Address to his priests given in Econe, Switzerland on September 6, 1990. Transcribed and slightly adapted from the French:
http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/two_years_after_the_consecrations.htm )

Rather striking, isn't it?

In JMJ,
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Sorry - I do have the translation but I see I was too late! I was hit by a virus and wasn't up to much of anything the past couple of days. Now I am going to read my translation against Mr. Daly's. I am thankful for the opportunity to translate though! It's enjoyable. :)


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Felipe Coelho wrote:
“[...] when we look behind us, we see we are still not as unfortunate as those Catholics expropriated at the beginning of this century, who found themselves out on the street with nothing. That may happen to us one day, [...] But we must count on the Good Lord, on the grace of the Good Lord. What is going to happen? I do not know. Perhaps the coming of Elias! I was just reading this morning in Holy Scripture, Elias will return and put everything back in place!"Et omnia restituet" —"and he will restore all things." Goodness gracious, let him come straightaway! I do not know.
(Archbishop LEFEBVRE, Address to his priests given in Econe, Switzerland on September 6, 1990. Transcribed and slightly adapted from the French:
http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/two_years_after_the_consecrations.htm )

Rather striking, isn't it?

In JMJ,
Felipe Coelho


It is, Felipe. It indicates a mindset which is certainly not that of most traditional clergy these days. That isn't praise or criticism, just an observation. He seemed to feel that the situation was acute and urgent in a way which is unusual. Of course, he was coming to the end of his own life, so that must be kept in mind.

Larie, thanks for the work, particularly since you were ill!

Morning cynicism: Who needs Elias when we have Ratzinger?

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John Lane wrote:
It indicates a mindset which is certainly not that of most traditional clergy these days.
Yeah, they don't want to come across as paranoid, like Bp. Williamson, when in reality the most fervent saints thought the Second Coming was right around the corner, ever since Christianity's beginning, which was the beginning of these last times, our epoch.

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