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Hi all,

I am starting this thread with the goal of putting forward some of the recent news from the SSPX so that the truth can be known. Souls can be harmed by false rumors and (internet) scandal. If there is truth to these stories, then let the truth lead where it must, but falsehoods must be extinguished for the common good.

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This is from the IA forum from the poster Seraphim:

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In the meantime, as you ponder whom to purge from this forum, consider this breaking news, as I have been insisting on this point for months now, over and against the whining of Lane, Justin, TradThomas, et al:

Source: TrueTrad.com

8-29-12: Bishop Tissier says Bishop Fellay still very committed to a deal

Do not be fooled by all the propaganda and sweet-talk coming from the SSPX designed to lure us to sleep.
Bishop Fellay still wants a deal with Rome and is quietly but very surely moving in that direction.
The latest evidence given us from a reader who heard it directly from Fr. Pfeiffer:

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On Monday, August 27th, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer told about 15 of us in Saint Marys, KS that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais spoke with Fr. Chazal (either that same day or in the previous few days), in Econe, Switzerland. (Apparently Fr. Chazal is still allowed there; his explusion is not yet finished). The Bishop told Fr. Chazal the following (which is paraphrased but accurate):

I am very heartbroken; all of our efforts to stop Bishop Fellay have been in vain. He has ignored us three bishops, ignored those who were opposed to his plans at the General Chapter. He has ignored the death of the other organizations that have made deals with Rome, ignored the priests who have spoken out, ignored the many faithful who have confronted him. Bishop Fellay still is completely committed to a deal with Rome, and is not at all altering his course. Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies. The SSPX/Rome talks are scheduled to resume in October.

Fr. Pfeiffer also added that Bishops Fellay and Tissier have made a sort of truce until that time.

God help us all! Holy Ghost, please englighten Bishop Fellay as to his folly before it is too late.

This post has been edited by Seraphim on Aug 30 2012, 12:56 AM

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Well, let's think about this a little.

Facts:

1. It's hearsay.
2. Bishop Fellay is giving conferences (so far in Australia, Singapore, and Switzerland) saying that there is no reconciliation and he does not believe there will be one in this pontificate.

If Bishop Fellay is preparing people for a reconciliation with "rome" he's going about it very strangely!

So I'd say it's rubbish. How did it come about? Who knows, but somebody will ask Bishop Tissier whether it's true at some point, and hopefully that will become public. But October isn't far away, and the facts will continue to speak louder than anything else.

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Here's another beauty:

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John,

Two completely independent sources as well as a confirmation.

Ray

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From: John Lane <nethow@space.net.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: RE: Williamson on Global Tour to Reconcile SSPX Priests to Fellay

Ray, what’s your source for this rumour? You are very definite about it!

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Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012 10:15 AM
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Subject: Williamson on Global Tour to Reconcile SSPX Priests to Fellay


At Fellay's behest, and of course Krah's as well.

This has been confirmed by independent sources and is 100% accurate.

He has been in Mexico recently and is now in Brazil.


This isn't true either, in case anybody is in any doubt! :)

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I guess we will know if part of this is true by All Saints Day. Only then, methinks, can we give it any real credibility.


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What is really amusing is that the same people who insisted that the General Chapter result was a sell-out, and who therefore condemned Tissier and everybody else (the vote was 40-0), are immediately giving credence to a story that has Bishop Tissier complaining after the GC that Bishop Fellay still wants to do a deal. Has any of them said, "Hang on, maybe we need to reconsider the GC result! Maybe we misinterpreted it!"? No, of course not. They seem capable of believing completely incompatible ideas.

IA has turned into Cathinfo.

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This from Bishop Tissier:

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"Vous faites bien de me questionner sur les propos que m'a paraît-il prêté l'abbé Pfeiffer. En réalité il n'y a rien de vrai dans ce que raconte l'internet de mon entretien avec François Chazal mardi dernier à Ecône."

"You do well in asking me about the comments with which Fr. Pfeiffer apparently credits me. In reality there is nothing true in what the Internet reports about my discussion with François Chazal last Tuesday at Ecône."


I can confirm that this is authentic. Well, it is in his handwriting, so one would normally think that it wouldn't be doubted, but it seems that some were so pleased with that false rumour that they won't give up believing in it!

Independently, a senior Fraternity figure contacted Bishop Tissier after I raised this with him, and received back the reply: ”il n'y a rien de vrai dans ce qui m'est attribué sur internet.” Translated: There is no truth in what was attributed to me on the internet.

For the record, the falsehood was first published on Truetrad.

Edit: The Tissier handwritten note is attached to this post.


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What is so fascinating about this event, is the absolute joy with which the rumour from Frs. Pfeiffer & Chazal was greeted by those who call themselves "anti-accordistas" on IA and Cathinfo. These are people, some SSPX and many not, who say that they believe that Bishop Fellay tried to sell out the SSPX, and is still committed to doing so, and even assert fairly frequently that a deal has already been signed and is just being kept secret for the time being.

Their view of the individual SSPX members varies depending on whether they think the particular cleric is sufficiently against Bishop Fellay at the moment. So the Three Bishops were heroes of the faith after their joint letter was leaked (against the will of at least two of them, de Galarreta and Tissier, who were reportedly very angry about this breach); Fr. Morgan was also a hero for a period; then the General Chapter occurred and Morgan, de Galarreta and Tissier, who all voted for the GC Declaration, and for the "Six Conditions", suddenly became non-entities, never to be mentioned (especially not favourably mentioned). Fr. Chazal's rumour restored Bishop Tissier's stocks with these fanatics for a few days, and then he returned to his non-entity status when his denials of the rumour appeared. Even more interesting, in a way, was the reaction to the rumour after it was quashed. Some continued to insist it was true, and that the denial was fraudulent; others cooperated in deleting all reference to it, and agreed not to mention it again. This despite the paroxysms it produced for the few days of its currency. IA didn't just move it to The Archives, they deleted the entire thread, which had forty posts at last count (by Google).

Here's the first post of the IA thread.

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In the meantime, as you ponder whom to purge from this forum, consider this breaking news, as I have been insisting on this point for months now, over and against the whining of Lane, Justin, TradThomas, et al:

Source: TrueTrad.com

8-29-12: Bishop Tissier says Bishop Fellay still very committed to a deal

Do not be fooled by all the propaganda and sweet-talk coming from the SSPX designed to lure us to sleep.
Bishop Fellay still wants a deal with Rome and is quietly but very surely moving in that direction.
The latest evidence given us from a reader who heard it directly from Fr. Pfeiffer:

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On Monday, August 27th, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer told about 15 of us in Saint Marys, KS that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais spoke with Fr. Chazal (either that same day or in the previous few days), in Econe, Switzerland. (Apparently Fr. Chazal is still allowed there; his explusion is not yet finished). The Bishop told Fr. Chazal the following (which is paraphrased but accurate):

I am very heartbroken; all of our efforts to stop Bishop Fellay have been in vain. He has ignored us three bishops, ignored those who were opposed to his plans at the General Chapter. He has ignored the death of the other organizations that have made deals with Rome, ignored the priests who have spoken out, ignored the many faithful who have confronted him. Bishop Fellay still is completely committed to a deal with Rome, and is not at all altering his course. Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies. The SSPX/Rome talks are scheduled to resume in October.

Fr. Pfeiffer also added that Bishops Fellay and Tissier have made a sort of truce until that time.

God help us all! Holy Ghost, please englighten Bishop Fellay as to his folly before it is too late.


This now never happened, apparently. Since it never happened, no lessons can be learned from it. Nobody was mistaken, nobody's judgement was shown to be defective, nobody's credibility has been harmed - not "Seraphim's" not Gregorio Sarto's, not even Fr. Chazal's or Fr. Pfeiffer's. Bishop Tissier returns to his deserved obscurity as somebody not currently attacking or criticising the deal, which has already been signed, and the campaign rolls on.

Well, it rolls on, but clearly it's out of steam; it rolls very slowly now, and slower every week.

Where's it headed? For a split, a very small split. Frs Chazal and Pfeiffer have clearly decided to leave the Fraternity. Bishop Williamson's latest EC (on the Six Conditions), which is an implicit attack on all 40 members of the General Chapter, which voted for it, indicates that he too has finally decided to depart. The ten or fifteen Web activists who now dominate discussion of the deal that never was, continue to paint themselves as the last hold-out Cristeros, barricaded in their homes in fear of raging SSPX clerics acting on orders from a German lawyer...

I used to defend the Internet when it was criticised by those who don't really grasp its potential for good. I don't any more. It's amazing how divorced from reality the traditional Catholic part of it has become. Absolutely and totally separated from all contact with, or reference to, fact.

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Found some more of the IA posts:

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Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies.

How dare anyone dispute such doctrinally sound reasoning, your Excellency!

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Even though I expected this--can someone tell me why I am still shocked?

Numb shock. Reality sinking in.

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QUOTE (Seraphim @ Aug 30 2012, 12:55 AM)
The Bishop told Fr. Chazal the following (which is paraphrased but accurate):

I am very heartbroken; all of our efforts to stop Bishop Fellay have been in vain. He has ignored us three bishops, ignored those who were opposed to his plans at the General Chapter. He has ignored the death of the other organizations that have made deals with Rome, ignored the priests who have spoken out, ignored the many faithful who have confronted him. Bishop Fellay still is completely committed to a deal with Rome, and is not at all altering his course. Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies. The SSPX/Rome talks are scheduled to resume in October.

Fr. Pfeiffer also added that Bishops Fellay and Tissier have made a sort of truce until that time.

God help us all! Holy Ghost, please englighten Bishop Fellay as to his folly before it is too late.

If I may point out a promising note in what is relayed above, it is that Bishop +Tissier has said he is "very brokenhearted". While a most difficult thing to endure, in itself, it says or gives some indication that he (and likely the other two bishops and many priests) is not giving up fighting against the work of Bishop Fellay. It gives hope that after the dust settles, the three bishops may find their footing and make the break needed to keep Tradition alive should +Fellay succeed in selling out the SSPX to the modernists.

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QUOTE (Catechist99 @ Aug 30 2012, 11:01 AM)
Even though I expected this--can someone tell me why I am still shocked?

Numb shock. Reality sinking in.

:nervous:

Ah! Take it easy, 99.

Everyone expects leniency on account of their humanity, but no one will conceed such to others.... well, not to +Bernie anyway.

Maybe that the poor man has lost his mind... you can bet that the Enemy has had all the smartest mind-benders at work on him since he may have become vulnerable because of "financial pressures".

Let's try to rescue the poor basad instead of hang, drawing, and quatering him.

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QUOTE (de Montfort @ Aug 30 2012, 02:36 AM)
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Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies.

How dare anyone dispute such doctrinally sound reasoning, your Excellency!

If true it shows very strange reasoning on +Fellay's part. The implication is that after Benedict XVI's death the situation is going to be worse. :bang:

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"But.... ...but... ...but the deal is dead. Bishop Fellay himself said so!!!!"

:rolleyes:


:wah:

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"But.... ...but... ...but the deal is dead. Bishop Fellay himself said so!!!!"

:rolleyes:


:wah:

:rofl:

What deal?

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QUOTE (BasilR @ Aug 30 2012, 05:41 AM)
QUOTE (de Montfort @ Aug 30 2012, 02:36 AM)
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Bishop Fellay stated after the General Chapter had concluded that we must make a deal now; now is the critical time, before Pope Benedict dies.

How dare anyone dispute such doctrinally sound reasoning, your Excellency!

If true it shows very strange reasoning on +Fellay's part. The implication is that after Benedict XVI's death the situation is going to be worse. :bang:

Have you never noticed the misty-eyed, "teenage-girl-with-a-crush" look that comes over him when he talks about arch-modernist B.XVI...?

"....but it really looks like the Holy Father wants this to happen now!
...this is thanks to the Holy Father, and to him alone....
...but we are not alone in this. The Holy Father is leading us in the fight for Tradition..."

:gag:

It's Michael-Mary Sim all over again.

PATHETIC.

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QUOTE (Gregorio Sarto @ Aug 30 2012, 08:30 AM)
"But.... ...but... ...but the deal is dead. Bishop Fellay himself said so!!!!"

:rolleyes:


:wah:

:rofl:

Oh! come now......


You are sounding a bit rebellious and breakawayish.

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So what are the three bishops thinking? Since Bp. Tissier confesses to heartbrokeneness over the situation in SSPX, nevertheless he and the others remain with the organization. These bishops would be the first to declare that to be folded back into the the Novus Ordo church would mean the death of the Society. Apparently, they believe they can do more presently by staying in the fold. They can help change the direction in which the Society is obviously headed by remaining inside the tent. IMO, they can no more change Menzingen and +F than they can New Church and B16.

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QUOTE (hollingsworth @ Aug 30 2012, 07:47 PM)
So what are the three bishops thinking? Since Bp. Tissier confesses to heartbrokeneness over the situation in SSPX, nevertheless he and the others remain with the organization. These bishops would be the first to declare that to be folded back into the the Novus Ordo church would mean the death of the Society. Apparently, they believe they can do more presently by staying in the fold. They can help change the direction in which the Society is obviously headed by remaining inside the tent. IMO, they can no more change Menzingen and +F than they can New Church and B16.

You're right, they can't change them. But they can try to choose the right moment, when the light of the circumstances show their position most accurately, in the best light, presenting a clear alternative.

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"....but it really looks like the Holy Father wants this to happen now!
...this is thanks to the Holy Father, and to him alone....
...but we are not alone in this. The Holy Father is leading us in the fight for Tradition..."


Gregorio, can I ask you to link me that quote in its total context? I think we've read it somewhere before, but can't find it now.

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QUOTE (Telesphorus @ Aug 30 2012, 08:06 PM)
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So what are the three bishops thinking? Since Bp. Tissier confesses to heartbrokeneness over the situation in SSPX, nevertheless he and the others remain with the organization. These bishops would be the first to declare that to be folded back into the the Novus Ordo church would mean the death of the Society. Apparently, they believe they can do more presently by staying in the fold. They can help change the direction in which the Society is obviously headed by remaining inside the tent. IMO, they can no more change Menzingen and +F than they can New Church and B16.

You're right, they can't change them. But they can try to choose the right moment, when the light of the circumstances show their position most accurately, in the best light, presenting a clear alternative.

Yes.

Archbishop Lefebvre was beseiged by clergy and laymen for years to do the consecrations.

He said he needed a sign.

He got it in 1986 with the Assisi scandal.

The 3 bishops remember this well.

They are also looking for their sign.

They will find it in the form of a Fellay deal that abandones them to their own devices (Remember, thankfully, the sellout will be for Fellay only, not the other 3).

Once that happens, I think you can count on immediate and decisive reactions from the 3 bishops.

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Holl - CNS. Both the video and the text article. I'm paraphrasing from memory, but it's as near as makes no odds. Surely yu saw those two CNS sources? The whole world saw them. Back in April.

Maybe we get Beren the computer to bring them up from her archive memory bank?

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QUOTE (Seraphim @ Aug 30 2012, 08:37 PM)
(Remember, thankfully, the sellout will be for Fellay only, not the other 3).

Once that happens, I think you can count on immediate and decisive reactions from the 3 bishops.

Yes.

In the meantime, we must wake up as many people as possible. Ideally, one-on-one conversations with someone you know, face to face, work best.

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its like talking to the wall...

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"....but it really looks like the Holy Father wants this to happen now!
...this is thanks to the Holy Father, and to him alone....
...but we are not alone in this. The Holy Father is leading us in the fight for Tradition..."

Not forgetting one of my favorites:
"... the Holy Father says the Extraordinary rite of Mass privately !"

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I am very heartbroken; all of our efforts to stop Bishop Fellay have been in vain. .....


And yet the other side is saying they are heartwarmed because he is doing what they wish.

How strange !!!

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+Fellay succeed in selling out the SSPX


How can it be called 'selling out' to one who is called the "HOLY FATHER"?

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But the deal is dead. Bishop Fellay himself said so.


This is a new deal don't you see? The word 'and' has been changed to 'also' and the word 'perhaps' has been changed to 'hopefully'. There are many other changes too numerous to recount. The old 'deal is dead'. I the MSG have spoken !

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QUOTE (hollingsworth @ Aug 30 2012, 07:47 PM)
So what are the three bishops thinking? Since Bp. Tissier confesses to heartbrokeneness over the situation in SSPX, nevertheless he and the others remain with the organization. These bishops would be the first to declare that to be folded back into the the Novus Ordo church would mean the death of the Society. Apparently, they believe they can do more presently by staying in the fold. They can help change the direction in which the Society is obviously headed by remaining inside the tent. IMO, they can no more change Menzingen and +F than they can New Church and B16.

Thus speaks Hollingsworth, who attends an FSSP Church. And I wouldn't be surprised it Hollingsworth conceded that there are less problems (especially in the area of charity) at the FSSP Church than at his local SSPX Church.

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QUOTE (hollingsworth @ Aug 30 2012, 08:28 PM)
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"....but it really looks like the Holy Father wants this to happen now!
...this is thanks to the Holy Father, and to him alone....
...but we are not alone in this. The Holy Father is leading us in the fight for Tradition..."

Gregorio, can I ask you to link me that quote in its total context? I think we've read it somewhere before, but can't find it now.

QUOTE (Gregorio Sarto @ Aug 30 2012, 09:06 PM)
Holl - CNS. Both the video and the text article. I'm paraphrasing from memory, but it's as near as makes no odds. Surely yu saw those two CNS sources? The whole world saw them. Back in April.

Maybe we get Beren the computer to bring them up from her archive memory bank?

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Bishop Fellay insisted the impetus for a resolution comes from Pope Benedict XVI.

"Personally, I would have wished to wait for some more time to see things clearer," he said, "but once again it really appears that the Holy Father wants it to happen now."

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CNS video:

The move of the Holy Father, because it really comes from him, is genuine. If this recognition happens it is thanks to him. Definitely and to him alone.
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"But we are not alone" in working to "defend the faith," the bishop said. "It's the pope himself who does it; that's his job. And if we are called to help the Holy Father in that, so be it."

And last but not least:
QUOTE (de Montfort @ Aug 30 2012, 09:33 PM)
Not forgetting one of my favorites:
"... the Holy Father says the Extraordinary rite of Mass privately !"

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According to Bishop Bernard Fellay, head of the SSPX, the Pope says the old rite of Mass privately.

According to the Catholic News Service (CNS):

“Claims that the Pope celebrates his private Mass using the Tridentine rite are incorrect, Jesuit Fr Federico Lombardi told Catholic News Service July 17.”

Fr Lombardi is the director of the Vatican press office, and seems an honest man. It is hard to believe anyway that if the rumours had been true, the Vatican (and therefore ultimately the Pope) would have denied them.




...And somehow that reminds me:

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DICI: Several times you have said that the pope personally wants the canonical recognition of the Society. Do you have a recent personal assurance from the pope himself that this is truly his intention?

Bishop Fellay: Yes, the pope is the one who wants it, and I have said it repeatedly. I have enough precise information in my possession to declare that what I say is true, although I have not had any direct dealings with the pope—rather, with his close collaborators.


(Are his sources here any more reliable than the ones who told him the Pope says the old rite of Mass privately? :unsure: )

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QUOTE (hollingsworth @ Aug 30 2012, 08:28 PM)
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"....but it really looks like the Holy Father wants this to happen now!
...this is thanks to the Holy Father, and to him alone....
...but we are not alone in this. The Holy Father is leading us in the fight for Tradition..."


Gregorio, can I ask you to link me that quote in its total context? I think we've read it somewhere before, but can't find it now.

holli, many of the quotes, at least the +BF interviews from this Spring/Summer, are in this thread. It has the videos, including the transcript of the [in]famous one, as well as the DICI interview. Of course in my previous post, I put links to the original sources where possible.

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"...well, not to +Bernie anyway..."

His Excellency Bishop Bernard Fellay.

And while we are at it, if Bishop Fellay called out for help, help to extricate himself from Satan's grip, we Cristeros would not hesitate one second to defend him:

"With our blood and with our souls, we will defend the cross"

That covers Bishops.


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And now this to Fr. Couture:

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Dear Rev. Father Couture,

Please find here a short summary of what I said to Father Chazal during our interview that took place at Ecône on Tuesday August 28th (if I remember) “1) I understand your thinking against an agreement with the modernistic Rome. I too am against it and everybody knows that I efficiently manifested my opposition against any agreement without any sign of conversion of the Conciliar Rome. 2) But I disagree with your means and ways. In the little army of the Society of Saint Pius X, you are a simple soldier, not a captain. Please remain in your place. There are captains, who can efficiently act by the General. [I meant the District Superiors and our Bishops] 3) Please behave like/as a simple soldier and have full confidence in the action of the captains by the General. They will surely usefully intervene when necessary.”

Dear Father, I hope that this truth about my interview with Fr Chazal will make peace in truth in the minds of our beloved Faithful. May Our Lady, who protected us against the peril of being divided by Rome’s attempts, keep all our Faithful in the peaceful confidence in Her!

Your faithfully in Christ the King
+Bernard Tissier de Mallerais

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John Lane wrote:
And now this to Fr. Couture:

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+ M Ecône, September 7th, 2012

Dear Rev. Father Couture,

Please find here a short summary of what I said to Father Chazal during our interview that took place at Ecône on Tuesday August 28th (if I remember) “1) I understand your thinking against an agreement with the modernistic Rome. I too am against it and everybody knows that I efficiently manifested my opposition against any agreement without any sign of conversion of the Conciliar Rome. 2) But I disagree with your means and ways. In the little army of the Society of Saint Pius X, you are a simple soldier, not a captain. Please remain in your place. There are captains, who can efficiently act by the General. [I meant the District Superiors and our Bishops] 3) Please behave like/as a simple soldier and have full confidence in the action of the captains by the General. They will surely usefully intervene when necessary.”

Dear Father, I hope that this truth about my interview with Fr Chazal will make peace in truth in the minds of our beloved Faithful. May Our Lady, who protected us against the peril of being divided by Rome’s attempts, keep all our Faithful in the peaceful confidence in Her!

Your faithfully in Christ the King
+Bernard Tissier de Mallerais


Hi John, where did you get this?

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Here's the original, Cristian:

http://www.sspxasia.com/BTM_about_Chazal.pdf

And another by Tissier:

http://www.sspxasia.com/BTM_to_Korea_120908.pdf

Have a look at this page for proofs of the genuine nature of these documents (since Internet Rumourists are so determined to believe whatever evil they can, that even when official denials appear they refuse to accept them!): http://www.sspxasia.com/

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The following facts are very clear from these letters:

1. Tissier remains completely against a "purely practical agreement".
2. Tissier will fight vigorously any attempt for such an agreement to be made.
3. Tissier values unity highly.
4. Tissier wishes to reassure the faithful.

There's no deal, there's no plan to make a deal, there will be no deal.

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I might as well put here the full text of Fr. Couture's letter to the Korean faithful as well. It's great.

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An appeal to the our SSPX Korean Faithful

September 8, 2012

Dear Faithful,

May the peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Immaculate Mother be with you all!

Our Korean mission is very close to their Hearts since the devil is now at work to try to undermine the work of more than 20 years. It is my duty to clarify many things to understand what is happening now.

A deal with modernist Rome?

Bishop Fellay said recently, in many public conferences in Australia, that nothing new would happen for the SSPX under the present pope. And if we consider the appointment last June of the German Archbishop Müller at the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – he considers Vatican II as infallible - the present situation is going to continue as it is for many more years.

Some however thought and prophesised that Bishop Fellay was going to surrender the SSPX to the modernist authorities, to the conciliar errors and to the new mass. They were certain this was going to happen in June. But it didn’t. They then announced it was going to happen in July. It didn’t. Now they say it will be in October, or November, it will not. Or in 5 or 10 years. It will not! They are like the false prophets announcing repeatedly that the end of world is imminent, and that we should store food in our houses in preparation. As a consequence people live in constant fear of what might happen soon.

Those who are doing this today are leading souls by fear and away from Catholic Tradition.

The SSPX in Korea

Many false rumours and accusations are circulating at the present about the SSPX in Korea, unfortunately by some of our faithful who have now been caught in this “fear-ofa-deal” syndrome. Let me clarify this.

1. Our Holy Faith We profess as we have always done to maintain the Catholic Faith in line with the famous Declaration of Archbishop Lefebvre, in 1974:

We hold firmly with all our heart and with all our mind to Catholic Rome,
Guardian of the Catholic Faith and of the traditions necessary to the maintenance of this faith, to the eternal Rome, mistress of wisdom and truth.

We refuse on the other hand, and have always refused, to follow the Rome of Neo-Modernist and Neo-Protestant tendencies, which became clearly manifest during the Second Vatican Council, and after the Council, in all the reforms which issued from it. …


This is what we are, and, by the grace of God, what we will remain.

2. The Association of “The Society of St Pius X, Korea”

This is our legal association in Korea, approved on March 20, 2008. This association is affiliated with the international SSPX which has its headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland. It is this association that is renting our present chapel in Seoul, that owns the apartment in Jungno 1ga, that manages all the goods given to the SSPX. Fr. Onoda is its president. Last week, Fr. Onoda and I have found an excellent lawyer to protect the association, to make sure we follow all its By-Laws legally, and to defend the association from anyone who wants to harm it in any ways. Therefore it is a false accusation to say that we have hired a lawyer to steal away the goods of the association. It is rather those who make this accusation who are trying to disrupt the peaceful life of the association.

3. The purpose of our legal association “SSPX Korea”

Fr. Onoda is the president of the association. He has been given the responsibility to provide for the purpose of the association which is: “The Society, being desirous of following the Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church, has its purpose to spread her Traditional Mass, her traditional doctrine, her traditional catechism and morals.” (Art. 4)

At the present moment, some members have interfered with the exercise of his priestly duties and of his legitimate authority as president in many ways: by posting material on the SSPX Korean website on their own initiative, even against the approval of Fr. Onoda, by distributing printed material in the chapel which undermines the respect for the authority of the association and of the SSPX, by intimidating, harassing and spreading malicious lies against the priests who have been sacrificing themselves freely for the Korean faithful for so many years, and now by provoking a division among our people, as a result of all these actions. The chapel has even been locked to stop Fr. Onoda from entering it.

2 Conclusion

Dear Faithful, the Society of St Pius X will not abandon you! You have come to us to be guided by priests who provide you with the sound doctrine and with the grace of God, priests who belong to a large organization, the SSPX. These priests have superiors who watch over them to be sure they act as good priests, that they teach the truth and administer properly both the sacraments and the goods entrusted to our care. Do not follow priests who openly revolt against their superiors, who become disobedient and independent ! By abandoning his assignment in France and by coming back to Korea and to Asia after receiving the two normal canonical warnings and against an explicit order of Bishop Fellay, Fr. Chazal has now publically left the SSPX. The only thing we can do at present for him is to pray for him.

May the Queen of Peace, whose birthday is celebrated today, come to our aid and expand rapidly the Kingship of her Divine Son in beautiful Korea!

Fr Daniel Couture

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John Lane wrote:
Here's the original, Cristian:

http://www.sspxasia.com/BTM_about_Chazal.pdf

And another by Tissier:

http://www.sspxasia.com/BTM_to_Korea_120908.pdf

Have a look at this page for proofs of the genuine nature of these documents (since Internet Rumourists are so determined to believe whatever evil they can, that even when official denials appear they refuse to accept them!): http://www.sspxasia.com/


Thanks very much John :)

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The Fr. Couture letter is a birthday gift from Our Lady, surely!

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Another announcement, this time concerning Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer, who apparently are in Asia: http://www.sspxasia.com/Public_Announce ... eiffer.pdf

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