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This over the weekend.

Gregorio Sarto wrote:
Dear All,

I am sorry that it has come to this but here we are:

I am stepping down as moderator of Ignis Ardens, and I wish as many people as possible to know why.

The SSPX has been my spiritual home for the last 10 years - ever since I was old enough to make my own decision about where to attend Mass - and has exerted a positive influence for even longer in many ways. You all know what opinion and position I take regarding the future of the SSPX and the mooted deal with Rome. You also know (most of you, anyway) the regard in which I hold the current direction and leadership of the SSPX. And the marginally lower regard in which I hold those who shut their eyes and side with them, through motives of self-interest when they must surely know better.

I have been aware for some time of scandalous reports, filtering back from Asia and elsewhere, of layfolk being denied the sacraments, or threatened with as much, essentially for no greater crime than an "incorrect opinion" regarding Menzingen's politics and clever diplomatic games. More recently, my attention has been drawn to the possibility of an SSPX-wide policy to this effect.

According to my understanding, Bishop Fellay has 'suggested' to our District Superior that anyone who dares criticize the public words and actions of +Fellay or Menzingen on internet forums such as Ignis Ardens (named specifically) and blogs should be denied Holy Communion by SSPX priests. He communicated that anyone owning or moderating forums where criticism takes place should be denied Holy Communion, and that anyone employed by SSPX who falls into these categories should also get sacked.

I reproduce below what I believe are the relevant canons regarding this, and I leave it to you to see the justice (or lack thereof) in this latest decision by Menzingen/Fellay.

Now, whilst this sort of thing might work in some places, in England the most highly critical of the Romeward, liberal drift of the SSPX are (in my humble opinion) those people who have given the most to the SSPX and who are its most selfless, loyal, devout and generous supporters. I of course do not include myself in that. For people who know me from Mass, I let you judge whether I have not attempted, over the years, to give of my time and very modest efforts in whatever small way possible. My point is that if +Fellay proceeds with forcibly silencing his critics, the people punished most will be those who least deserve it. In any case, in a sense this is all an academic question and does not matter: I personally have complete confidence in Fr. Morgan's integrity as a priest and a loyal son of Archbishop Lefebvre.

But whilst the faithful in the British Isles, Ireland and Scandinavia don't believe for a minute that such a monstrous abuse of ecclesiastical power and function would ever be carried out by our current priests, nevertheless, if Bishop Fellay demands that Ignis Ardens becomes unmoderated then so be it. Clare and I each have our families to think of, lives of our own, and we both have better things to do with our time. Clare of course can speak for herself, but if her thinking is anything like mine, Ignis Ardens may well find its members having to moderate themselves from now on. I am truly amazed that either of us should be threatened with excommunication, but I am not making this up. And whilst I would happily defy an unjust command from a Bishop to whom I have never sworn obedience, and whilst equally I do not believe for one instant that our excellent priests would ever be party to such a monstrous injustice, yet for the sake of Fr. Morgan and the other clergy I will not force the issue, and so I stand down as Moderator.

I make no secret of the fact that I pray for the SSPX and at the moment, specifically, for a speedy end to the Generalship of Bishop Fellay which, I believe, is doing great harm to the SSPX and consequently to Catholic Tradition, Almighty God's work upon earth. May God have Mercy on us all for our sins, and may His will be done.

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:39 am
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In the wake of this, almost all of the members who opposed detraction, calumny, and rash judgement have been banned from IA.

Unfortunately, we don't have too many clear facts. Even GS doesn't present his report with any great degree of certitude ("According to my understanding, Bishop Fellay has 'suggested' to our District Superior...").

What will be the outcome for IA is hard to predict, but at this stage it appears that it will become solidified in what it has strongly trended towards over the past few months - an anti-SSPX trad site, like Cathinfo. Broadly speaking, this appears to be essentially a part of the split from the SSPX by Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer.

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Yeah, not too good. Everyone who wasn't out to lynch +Fellay, or, God forbid - defend him, was banned. I wonder if they are permanent.

What I would like to know, is the other perspective of the situation. I hope +Fellay releases some sort of public explanation as to why he might be asking that forums such as IA, be shut down. Even the admin of Ignis Ardens, Patricius, has seemed to turn on +Fellay.


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John Lane wrote:
In the wake of this, almost all of the members who opposed detraction, calumny, and rash judgement have been banned from IA.

Unfortunately, we don't have too many clear facts. Even GS doesn't present his report with any great degree of certitude ("According to my understanding, Bishop Fellay has 'suggested' to our District Superior...").

What will be the outcome for IA is hard to predict, but at this stage it appears that it will become solidified in what it has strongly trended towards over the past few months - an anti-SSPX trad site, like Cathinfo. Broadly speaking, this appears to be essentially a part of the split from the SSPX by Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer.


I was very surprised by this and I still don't understand what is happening there. I didn't think PATRICIUS or Clare were like that but I knew Sarto was. I never understood why they allowed the crazys to continue to post.

I did get this info from the site from Clare
"No he wasn't. I banned him, and I wouldn't have banned him for that reason.
It was a couple of weeks ago now, so I can't exactly remember what the last
straw was. I just got fed up with coming online in the morning and finding him
and Charls fighting, so I got tough, momentarily*, and banned them both!"

Pure logic, right?


Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:39 am
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You're seeing the effects of hysteria take root in the minds of men. Such a state knows no law of morality or discretion and anyone who does not mount the horse of irrationality so as to charge the phantom enemy is looked upon with disdain. These men and women are sickened by pseudo-piety and self-indulgent fantasy. The spirit of delusion has gripped them by the throat and they have lost all bearing. I'm afraid that even the good Bishop Williamson has succumbed to this factious spirit. His letters are riddled with poor reasoning and he constantly appeals to emotion. Brian McCalls article has been met with the drivel of fools on cathinfo. Not only have they lost the ability to reason but look upon it with suspicion. No one is spared from trial these days and the Prince of Darkness will continue to manipulate our weaknesses until we relent. That is, unless we are vigilant and humble; unless we quiet our tumultuous souls within the meek and humble heart of Jesus we are next in line to be deceived. Unless we pray the holy Rosary daily we are sure to fall as well.


Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:51 am
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Powerful post, Caminus. Thanks.


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