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 Cardinal Bellarmine on the Antichrist Vs. the sede position 
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New post Cardinal Bellarmine on the Antichrist Vs. the sede position
A user by the name of warning at Fish Eaters has started a thread trying to prove that one of Mr. Lanes articles is offensive to Catholics. I have debated him numerous times until he finally couldn't come up with another bogus answer to why Sedevacantists aren't Catholic. Here's how he begins,

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The following is from the sede website of John Lane. Any Catholic should take offense to the following sede "doctrine":


Here's the link, http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post ... id=1219149


Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:56 pm
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New post Re: Cardinall Bellarmine on the Antichrist Vs. the sede posi
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A user by the name of warning


Another kid with too much time on his hands. Somebody should paste in a text from a solid source saying that Rome will become the seat of the Antichrist and be done with him. La Salette would do except that these Novus types dispute it, so perhaps the Cardinal Manning text that was quoted a few days ago over there would suffice?

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The writers of the Church tell us that in the latter days the city of Rome will probably become apostate from the Church and Vicar of Jesus Christ; and that Rome will again be punished, for he will depart from it; and the judgment of God will fall on the place from which he once reigned over the nations of the world. For what is it that makes Rome sacred, but the presence of the Vicar of Jesus Christ? What has it that should be dear in the sight of God, save only the presence of the Vicar of His Son? Let the Church of Christ depart from Rome, and Rome will be no more in the eyes of God than Jerusalem of old. Jerusalem, the Holy City, chosen by God, was cast down and consumed by fire, because it crucified the Lord of Glory; and the city of Rome, which has been the seat of the Vicar of Jesus Christ for eighteen hundred years, if it become apostate, like Jerusalem of old, will suffer a like condemnation. And, therefore, the writers of the Church tell us that the city of Rome has no prerogative except only that the Vicar of Christ is there; and if it become unfaithful, the same judgments which fell on Jerusalem, hallowed though it was by the presence of the Son of God, of the Master, and not the disciple only, shall fall likewise upon Rome.


We need a reference, however.

Anyway, it's nice to see this Bellarmine material appearing.

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Thanks for that quote John.


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If I may supply the reference for the quote from Cardinal Manning, without causing any problems in so doing...it is from a series of lectures published (London, 1861) under the title The Present Crisis of the Holy See.

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John Lane wrote:
Somebody should paste in a text from a solid source saying that Rome will become the seat of the Antichrist and be done with him. La Salette would do except that these Novus types dispute it,



I was under the impression that the Secret of La Salette was condemned by the Holy Office. I realize this is a disputed question, though. The Catholic Encyclopedia, that book you love to hate :), says this:

"It is unknown what impressions these mysterious revelations made on the pope, for on this point there were two versions diametrically opposed to each other ... Mélanie's [secret] was inserted in its entirety in brochure which she herself had printed in 1879 at Lecce, Italy, with the approval of the bishop of that town. A lively controversy followed as to whether the secret published in 1879 was identical with that communicated to Pius IX in 1851, or in its second form it was not merely a work of the imagination. The latter was the opinion of wise and prudent persons, who were persuaded that a distinction must be made between the two Mélanies, between the innocent and simple voyante of 1846 and the visionary of 1879, whose mind had been disturbed by reading apocalyptic books and the lives of illuminati."


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Pax Christi !

I do not pretend to be a interpreter of private revelation, however, stepping outside the immediate controversy of which narration of La Salette is true, the sentence" Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of anti-Christ" could be explained as the Masonic takeover of the Papal States which included Rome. Not until the concordat of 1929, was the Pope once again a temporal ruler i.e. Vatican City, which now is “outside" Rome, this was a big change.

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