"Is the Pope Catholic?" phrase 1st appeared in 1967.
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Alan Aversa
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 "Is the Pope Catholic?" phrase 1st appeared in 1967.
From a Google Ngram search in 5.2 million books published between 1500 and 2008, the phrase "Is the Pope Catholic?" only appears beginning in 1967: 
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Alan Aversa
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1967 is when the "experimental" Novus Ordo was performed in the Sistine Chapel… What's also interesting is the peak at Assisi I (1986).
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Alan Aversa
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Who coined that term, anyways?
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Ken Gordon
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I'm sorry, but I find Robert Sungenis to be particularly and extremely annoying, and will have as little to do with him as possible. Ever since I watched and listened to the debate between him and John Lane in Spokane, Washington, I have had just about zero respect for the man.
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Alan Aversa
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Ken Gordon wrote: I'm sorry, but I find Robert Sungenis to be particularly and extremely annoying, and will have as little to do with him as possible. Ever since I watched and listened to the debate between him and John Lane in Spokane, Washington, I have had just about zero respect for the man. He's definitely the best apologist of the Conciliar Church out there, and he seems to be moving closer toward sedevacantism.
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James Francis
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Dear Alan, Quote: He's definitely the best apologist of the Conciliar Church out there That's a bad thing to be though, isn't it? James
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Alan Aversa
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Ken Gordon wrote: the debate between him and John Lane in Spokane, Washington What ever happened to that? It was taken off YouTube. Maybe it's better that way.
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Ken Gordon
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Perhaps I should clarify a bit: I and my wife had driven up to Spokane (about 80 miles) to both visit with John and to watch the debate. We then had to drive back home after it. It takes about an hour and 45 minutes to make the trip. I was so angry at the way Sungenis "managed" the debate and at the things he said, many of which were singularly protestant, that it took until 2:00 AM for me to settle down enough to go to sleep. I also had a roaring headache.
As I said, I have absolutely zero respect for the man.
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Ken Gordon wrote: Perhaps I should clarify a bit: I and my wife had driven up to Spokane (about 80 miles) to both visit with John and to watch the debate. We then had to drive back home after it. It takes about an hour and 45 minutes to make the trip. I was so angry at the way Sungenis "managed" the debate and at the things he said, many of which were singularly protestant, that it took until 2:00 AM for me to settle down enough to go to sleep. I also had a roaring headache.
As I said, I have absolutely zero respect for the man. If this is the debate that was moderated by Mr. Droleskey, then I have the CD of the debate from the Fatima Conference. The problem I had with the Mr. Sungenis was that he did not seem to understand the topic of the debate. He didn't answer the objections of Mr. Lane and he kept bringing up issues that had nothing to do with the topic of sedevacantism. That was my impression of him. After that, I stopped visiting his website because he seemed unable to actually make a real argument and seemed completely ignorant about a topic on which he had agreed to debate. He no longer seemed trustworthy. Sort of like what happened with Mr. Droleskey when he made disgusting charges against a traditional bishop that I knew to be false from my personal experience.
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Alan Aversa
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I thought it was strange that Sungenis threatened to leave the debate. I wonder why Sungenis didn't admit to having not read Franzelin et al.; he could've made a case that what Franzelin et al. say is irrelevant to the sedeplenism vs. sedevacantism debate.
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Alan Aversa
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TKGS wrote: he seemed unable to actually make a real argument and seemed completely ignorant about a topic on which he had agreed to debate. Wasn't the topic of debate changed at the last minute, or was a different debate?
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TKGS
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Alan Aversa wrote: TKGS wrote: he seemed unable to actually make a real argument and seemed completely ignorant about a topic on which he had agreed to debate. Wasn't the topic of debate changed at the last minute, or was a different debate? If it was, I had never heard that. Mr. Lane? Was the topic of debate you had with Mr. Sungenis changed at the last minute?
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No, the topic wasn't changed. I can understand somebody thinking that it had been, however. Sungenis was prepared for a debate with a title like, "The New Mass is invalid, therefore there is no pope." But that was the wrong title. 
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Ken Gordon
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I and my wife attended the debate: the title was never changed.
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