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As I checked around the forum and couldn't find one...

The following is a list of living bishops consecrated to the Catholic episcopate prior to the invalidation of the rite in 1968. The list is culled from Catholic-Hierarchy's page, http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/sordb2.html and shows date of consecration, length of time since episcopal consecration, name of the bishop, and title of appointment. I've numbered each one, and broken the list into sections by pope/papal claimant. Also added +Rifan, since he's valid.

Pope Pius XII
01. 24 Aug 1951 62.53 Ján Chryzostom Cardinal Korec, S.J. Bishop Emeritus of Nitra, Slovakia
02. 25 Mar 1954 59.94 Bishop Jan van Cauwelaert, C.I.C.M. Bishop Emeritus of Inongo, Congo (Dem. Rep.)
03. 28 Aug 1955 58.52 Archbishop José de Jesús Pimiento Rodriguez Archbishop Emeritus of Manizales, Colombia
04. 9 Sep 1955 58.49 Bishop Dominik Kalata, S.J. Titular Bishop of Semta
05. 29 Jun 1956 57.68 Archbishop George Hamilton Pearce, S.M. Archbishop Emeritus of Suva, Fiji, Pacific (Oceania)
06. 29 Jul 1956 57.60 Fiorenzo Cardinal Angelini President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers, Roman Curia
07. 22 Sep 1957 56.45 Archbishop José Maria Pires Archbishop Emeritus of Paraíba, Paraiba, Brazil
08. 29 Sep 1957 56.43 Bishop Felice Leonardo Bishop Emeritus of Cerreto Sannita-Telese-Sant’Agata de’ Goti, Italy
09. 27 Apr 1958 55.85 Archbishop Bernardino Piñera Carvallo Archbishop Emeritus of La Serena, Chile
10. 10 Aug 1958 55.57 Bishop Caetano Antônio Lima dos Santos, O.F.M. Cap. Bishop Emeritus of Ilhéus, Baia, Brazil
11. 14 Sep 1958 55.47 Bishop Antonio José Ramírez Salaverría Bishop Emeritus of Maturín, Venezuela

Roncalli
12. 19 Mar 1959 54.96 Bishop John Jobst, S.A.C. Bishop Emeritus of Broome, Australia
13. 7 May 1959 54.83 Serafim Cardinal Fernandes de Araújo Archbishop Emeritus of Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, Brazil
14. 24 Apr 1960 53.86 Archbishop Moisés Julio Blanchoud Archbishop Emeritus of Salta, Argentina
15. 21 Jun 1960 53.70 Archbishop Arturo Antonio Szymanski Ramírez Archbishop Emeritus of San Luis Potosí, México
16. 25 Jul 1960 53.61 Bishop Eloy Tato Losada, I.E.M.E. Bishop Emeritus of Magangué, Colombia
17. 28 Aug 1960 53.52 Archbishop Armando Círio, O.S.I. Archbishop Emeritus of Cascavel, Parana, Brazil
18. 18 Jan 1961 53.13 Bishop Paul-Émile Charbonneau Bishop Emeritus of Hull, Québec, Canada
19. 16 Apr 1961 52.88 Bishop Mario Renato Cornejo Radavero Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Lima, Peru
20. 22 Apr 1961 52.87 Bishop Albert-Georges-Yves Malbois Bishop Emeritus of Evry-Corbeil-Essonnes, France
21. 14 May 1961 52.81 Archbishop Carlos Quintero Arce Archbishop Emeritus of Hermosillo, Sonora, México
22. 21 May 1961 52.79 Bishop Placidus Gervasius Nkalanga, O.S.B. Bishop Emeritus of Bukoba, Tanzania
23. 16 Jul 1961 52.63 Nasrallah Pierre Cardinal Sfeir Patriarch Emeritus of Antiochia {Antioch} (Maronite), Lebanon
24. 30 Jul 1961 52.60 Giovanni Cardinal Canestri Archbishop Emeritus of Genova {Genoa}, Italy
25. 24 Aug 1961 52.53 Bishop William John McNaughton, M.M. Bishop Emeritus of Incheon {Inch’on}, Korea (South)
26. 8 Sep 1961 52.49 Bishop José de Jesús Sahagún de la Parra Bishop Emeritus of Ciudad Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán, México
27. 15 Oct 1961 52.39 Bishop Andrés Sapelak, S.D.B. Bishop Emeritus of Santa María del Patrocinio en Buenos Aires (Ukrainian), Argentina
28. 29 Oct 1961 52.35 Archbishop Antônio Ribeiro de Oliveira Archbishop Emeritus of Goiânia, Goias, Brazil
29. 6 Jan 1962 52.16 Bishop José Mauro Ramalho de Alarcón Santiago Bishop Emeritus of Iguatú, Ceara, Brazil
30. 11 Feb 1962 52.06 Bishop Gregorio Garavito Jiménez, S.M.M. Bishop Emeritus of Villavicencio, Colombia
31. 19 Mar 1962 51.96 Bishop Roberto Reinaldo Cáceres González Bishop Emeritus of Melo, Uruguay
32. 10 Jun 1962 51.73 Archbishop Robert-Casimir Tonyui Messan Dosseh-Anyron Archbishop Emeritus of Lomé, Togo
33. 25 Jul 1962 51.61 Bishop Jacques Landriault Bishop Emeritus of Timmins, Ontario, Canada
34. 22 Aug 1962 51.53 Duraisamy Simon Cardinal Lourdusamy Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches, Roman Curia
35. 22 Aug 1962 51.53 Bishop Anselmo Zarza Bernal Bishop Emeritus of León, Guanajuato, México
36. 30 Aug 1962 51.51 Archbishop Raymond Gerhardt Hunthausen Archbishop Emeritus of Seattle, Washington, USA
37. 12 Sep 1962 51.48 Bishop Myles McKeon Bishop Emeritus of Bunbury, Australia
38. 14 Dec 1962 51.22 Bishop Remi Joseph De Roo Bishop Emeritus of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
39. 24 Feb 1963 51.03 Bishop Yves-Georges-René Ramousse, M.E.P. Vicar Apostolic Emeritus of Phnom-Penh, Cambodia
40. 19 Apr 1963 50.88 Emmanuel III (Emmanuel-Karim) Cardinal Delly Patriarch Emeritus of Babylon {Babilonia} (Chaldean), Iraq
41. 9 May 1963 50.82 Bishop Géry-Jacques-Charles Leuliet Bishop Emeritus of Amiens, France

Montini
42. 29 Aug 1963 50.51 Bishop Laurent Noël Bishop Emeritus of Trois Rivières, Québec, Canada
43. 4 Oct 1963 50.42 Bishop Luigi Bettazzi Bishop Emeritus of Ivrea, Italy
44. 20 Oct 1963 50.37 Archbishop Victorinus Youn Kong-hi Archbishop Emeritus of Kwangju, Korea (South)
45. 30 Jan 1964 50.10 Bishop Victor Garaygordóbil Berrizbeitia Prelate Emeritus of Babahoyo, Ecuador
46. 5 Feb 1964 50.08 Archbishop Alphonsus Mathias Archbishop Emeritus of Bangalore, India
47. 13 Feb 1964 50.06 Archbishop Savino Bernardo Maria Cazzaro Bertollo, O.S.M. Archbishop Emeritus of Puerto Montt, Chile
48. 25 Feb 1964 50.03 Bishop Andreas Peter Cornelius Sol, M.S.C. Bishop Emeritus of Amboina, Indonesia
49. 3 Mar 1964 50.00 Bishop José Gabriel Diaz Cueva Bishop Emeritus of Azogues, Ecuador
50. 1 May 1964 49.84 Bishop Georges-Hilaire Dupont, O.M.I. Bishop Emeritus of Pala, Chad
51. 6 Dec 1964 49.24 Archbishop Eurico Dias Nogueira Archbishop Emeritus of Braga, Portugal
52. 2 Feb 1965 49.09 Archbishop Gabriel Thohey Mahn-Gaby Archbishop Emeritus of Yangon, Myanmar
53. 16 Feb 1965 49.05 Archbishop James Odongo Archbishop Emeritus of Tororo, Uganda
54. 20 Apr 1965 48.87 Archbishop James Martin Hayes Archbishop Emeritus of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
55. 25 Jul 1965 48.61 Bishop José Trinidad Sepúlveda Ruiz-Velasco Bishop Emeritus of San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México
56. 22 Aug 1965 48.53 Archbishop Gabino Díaz Merchán Archbishop Emeritus of Oviedo, Spain
57. 29 Aug 1965 48.51 Francis Cardinal Arinze Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Roman Curia
58. 5 Sep 1965 48.50 Archbishop Hilarion Capucci, B.A. Patriarchal Vicar Emeritus of Jerusalem {Gerusalemme} (Melkite Greek), Palestine
59. 5 Sep 1965 48.50 Archbishop Grégoire Haddad Archbishop Emeritus of Beirut and Jbeil {Bairut e Gibail} (Melkite Greek), Lebanon
60. 6 Mar 1966 47.99 Bishop Paul-Marie François Rousset, Ist. del Prado Bishop Emeritus of Saint-Etienne, France
61. 29 May 1966 47.76 Archbishop Boleslaw Pylak Archbishop Emeritus of Lublin, Poland
62. 1 Jun 1966 47.76 Archbishop Peter Leo Gerety Archbishop Emeritus of Newark, New Jersey, USA
63. 12 Jun 1966 47.73 Archbishop Juan Antonio Flores Santana Archbishop Emeritus of Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic
64. 3 Jul 1966 47.67 Paulo Evaristo Cardinal Arns, O.F.M. Archbishop Emeritus of São Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
65. 25 Jul 1966 47.61 Bishop Ernest Bertrand Boland, O.P. Bishop Emeritus of Multan, Pakistan
66. 28 Aug 1966 47.52 Archbishop Pedro Antônio Marchetti Fedalto Archbishop Emeritus of Curitiba, Parana, Brazil
67. 4 Sep 1966 47.50 Bishop Jesús Agustín López de Lama, C.P. Prelate Emeritus of Corocoro, Bolivia
68. 8 Sep 1966 47.49 Bishop Julio Xavier Labayen, O.C.D. Prelate Emeritus of Infanta, Philippines
69. 2 Oct 1966 47.42 Archbishop Luciano José Cabral Duarte Archbishop Emeritus of Aracajú, Sergipe, Brazil
70. 7 Oct 1966 47.41 Bishop Gerardo Humberto Flores Reyes Bishop Emeritus of Verapaz, Cobán, Guatemala
71. 6 Nov 1966 47.33 Bishop Manuel Edmilson da Cruz Bishop Emeritus of Limoeiro do Norte, Ceara, Brazil
72. 11 Dec 1966 47.23 Bishop Albert Onyembo Lomandjo, C.S.Sp. Bishop Emeritus of Kindu, Congo (Dem. Rep.)
73. 18 Dec 1966 47.21 Archbishop Gilberto Pereira Lopes Archbishop Emeritus of Campinas, Sao Paulo, Brazil
74. 27 Dec 1966 47.19 Bishop Sergio Otoniel Contreras Navia Bishop Emeritus of Temuco, Chile
75. 21 Jan 1967 47.12 Bishop Gérard-Joseph Deschamps, S.M.M. Bishop Emeritus of Bereina, Papua New Guinea
76. 5 Mar 1967 47.00 Archbishop Raul Nicolau Gonsalves Archbishop Emeritus of Goa e Damão, India
77. 5 Mar 1967 47.00 Archbishop Hovhannes Tcholakian Archbishop of Istanbul (Armenian), Turkey
78. 30 Apr 1967 46.85 Bishop José Francisco Moreira dos Santos, O.F.M. Cap. Bishop Emeritus of Uije, Angola
79. 30 Apr 1967 46.85 Bishop Jesus Y. Varela Bishop Emeritus of Sorsogon, Philippines
80. 14 May 1967 46.81 Bishop Chucrallah Harb Bishop Emeritus of Jounieh (Maronite), Lebanon
81. 17 Jun 1967 46.71 José Cardinal Freire Falcão Archbishop Emeritus of Brasília, Distrito Federal, Brazil
82. 17 Jun 1967 46.71 Bishop Juan Conway McNabb, O.S.A. Bishop Emeritus of Chulucanas, Peru
83. 29 Jun 1967 46.68 Archbishop Manuel Vieira Pinto Archbishop Emeritus of Nampula, Mozambique
84. 5 Jul 1967 46.66 Archbishop Carmelo Dominador Flores Morelos Archbishop Emeritus of Zamboanga, Philippines
85. 7 Jul 1967 46.66 Archbishop Jean-Berchmans-Marcel-Yves-Marie-Bernard Chabbert, O.F.M. Bishop Emeritus of Perpignan-Elne, France
86. 16 Jul 1967 46.63 Loris Francesco Cardinal Capovilla Prelate Emeritus of Loreto, Italy
87. 5 Sep 1967 46.50 Archbishop Francis Patrick Carroll Archbishop Emeritus of Canberra-Goulburn, Australia
88. 17 Sep 1967 46.46 Bishop Lorenzo León Alvarado, O. de M. Bishop Emeritus of Huacho, Peru
89. 15 Oct 1967 46.39 Bishop Léon Lesambo Ndamwize Bishop Emeritus of Inongo, Congo (Dem. Rep.)
90. 1 Nov 1967 46.34 Bishop Dante Frasnelli Tarter, O.S.I. Prelate Emeritus of Huarí, Peru
91. 26 Nov 1967 46.27 Bishop Tomás Balduino, O.P. Bishop Emeritus of Goiás, Goias, Brazil
92. 28 Nov 1967 46.27 Archbishop Leonard Anthony Faulkner Archbishop Emeritus of Adelaide, Australia
93. 30 Nov 1967 46.26 Archbishop Edgerton Roland Clarke Archbishop Emeritus of Kingston in Jamaica, Antilles
94. 12 Dec 1967 46.23 Archbishop John Raphael Quinn Archbishop Emeritus of San Francisco, California, USA
95. 17 Dec 1967 46.21 Bishop Hubertus Cornelis Antonius Ernst Bishop Emeritus of Breda, Netherlands

Wojtyla
96. 18 Aug 2002 11.54 Bishop Fernando Arêas Rifan Apostolic Administrator of São João Maria Vianney, Rio de Janeiro


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There could be more valids, depending on
1. when in 1968 the NREC was imposed, and
2. when the priestly & episcopal rites in the Catholic East were changed.

Among the 96 men listed above, who do we know as orthodox? As heretics?

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One thing to keep in mind is that this site only catalogs western Bishops.

I used this website a year or so ago and ran a basic google search for all of these bishops. Most of them had virtually no information about them, other than the fact that they exist and what see they occupy.

Anyways, I came up with a very short(!) list of names who were at least not automatically excluded due to having been recorded saying something completely incompatible with the faith (as most who had information available fell into this unfortunate category).

So, it's not a list of "orthodox" ones, just a list of ones that aren't necessarily excluded from being orthodox. I didn't take notes, only names-- so I'm happy to be corrected on any of these names:

Ján Chryzostom Korec

Fiorenzo Angelini

Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir

Andrés Sapelak

Victorinus Youn Kong-hi

Arinze

Hilarion Capucci

Edit: The vast majority did not have any relevant information (at least in English). By vast I mean somewhere near 70% of the list, if memory serves.

Edit again: Rifan should be on this list. As lamentable as his case is, I hardly think he could be called a heretic.


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According to this same source (http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/brifan.html) Fr. Rifan was consecrated in 2002 by Castrillón Hoyos, who is a priest (1952), but most probably not a bishop (1971). To me therefore Rifan's consecration is at least doubtful.

Catholic hierarchy most certainly also lists all Eastern rite Bishops in union with Rome (whatever that means today for them).
Examples in the list here are Bishops Sfeir (Maronite) , Sapelak (Ukrainian), Delly (Chaldean) and a few others.


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Lycobates, +Rifan was co-consecrated by one real bishop: +Rangel, who was consecrated by three bishops of the SSPX. Unless you reject their orders as invalid and embrace all the nonsense that entails, +Rifan is certainly valid. As the SSPX bishops consecrated +Rangel in the traditional rite, so was +Rifan consecrated in the traditional rite. You can view highlights on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQi4k9ucHks

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Thomas Williams wrote:
Lycobates, +Rifan was co-consecrated by one real bishop: +Rangel, who was consecrated by three bishops of the SSPX. Unless you reject their orders as invalid and embrace all the nonsense that entails, +Rifan is certainly valid. As the SSPX bishops consecrated +Rangel in the traditional rite, so was +Rifan consecrated in the traditional rite. You can view highlights on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQi4k9ucHks


Bishop Rangel, who was for sure a real bishop, was co-consecrator. Fair enough, but this is not sufficient.
According to the rubrics the co-consecrators do not pronounce together with the consecrator the form of the sacrament (Comple in Sacerdote tuo ministerii tui summam, et ornamentis totius glorificationis instructum, coelestis unguenti rore sanctifica).
Only the consecrator does so (Quo facto, Consecrator stans, deposita mitra dicit: and Deinde, extensis manibus ante pectus, dicit: in the singular).
Unless Bishop Rangel pronounced (against the rubrics as I have them) the words of the form together with the matter (extension of hands), after the Accipe Spiritum Sanctum, as would have done (but to no avail) Father Castrillón Hoyos, the sacrament remains at least doubtful, I am afraid.
And for all practical purposes a doubtful sacrament is no sacrament at all.


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First I've "heard" of this.

Waiting for any more established members to weigh in before considering an alteration to the OP.

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Lycobates wrote:
According to this same source (http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/brifan.html) Fr. Rifan was consecrated in 2002 by Castrillón Hoyos, who is a priest (1952), but most probably not a bishop (1971). To me therefore Rifan's consecration is at least doubtful.

Catholic hierarchy most certainly also lists all Eastern rite Bishops in union with Rome (whatever that means today for them).
Examples in the list here are Bishops Sfeir (Maronite) , Sapelak (Ukrainian), Delly (Chaldean) and a few others.


I see now that there are some Eastern bishops. Does it have them all though? I thought no since I remember John Lane linking to a site which exclusively listed Eastern bishops.


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I see now that there are some Eastern bishops. Does it have them all though? I thought no since I remember John Lane linking to a site which exclusively listed Eastern bishops.


Yes the list should be complete, as for the Latin rite.
You can find them here on the right (sub "traditions"): http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/qview.html


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Thomas Williams wrote:
First I've "heard" of this.

Waiting for any more established members to weigh in before considering an alteration to the OP.


I have no idea who would be an “established member” of this forum, but if Pope Benedict XIV and the theologian Matthias Scheeben and one or the other official of the defunct Sacred Congregation of Rites lived today, they might well qualify to weigh in. :wink:
I would give them the floor.

Only the Consecrator confers the sacrament of the Episcopacy. The co-consecrators do not. They only assist ritually and do not pronounce the words of the form. As a matter of fact, the term “co-consecrator” is not known in the Pontifical; they are always called Episcopi assistentes.

Apart from the rubrics (as already quoted earlier) another proof of this is that these “co-consecrators” can be replaced (in normal circumstances, licitly only by Papal indult, but always validly) by two priests or other dignitaries who are not Bishops. See Benedict XIV, De synodo dioecesana, l. XIII, c.13 , quoted in Scheeben, Handbuch der Dogmatik IV, p.768, who takes the same view that “co-consecrators” do not confer the sacrament.

In such a case the priests or dignitaries (lacking the episcopal character) perform exactly the same elements of the ritual the co-consecrating (better: assisting) Bishops would do. See Decree of the SCR of 9th June 1853 issued for Cochinchina: servetur eodem modo [as for Bishops] Rubrica Pontificalis Romani. (The text is in the Decreta authentica sub n° 3014). This would not be possible or permitted if the “co-consecrators” effectively co-performed the sacrament, viz. by pronouncing the form, which is not the case.

Therefore I very much fear Father Rifan is still Father Rifan.
(And I am writing this not to be nasty, but because it is a vital point for priestly ordinations, confirmations and consecrations of Holy Oils, and thus for Extreme Unction too, performed down there in Brazil, alas!).


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Lycobates wrote:
Only the Consecrator confers the sacrament of the Episcopacy. The co-consecrators do not. They only assist ritually and do not pronounce the words of the form. As a matter of fact, the term “co-consecrator” is not known in the Pontifical; they are always called Episcopi assistentes.


Are you quite certain of this? I've read many traditional comments (not, that is, commentaries) which claim that one of the purposes of the co-consecrators is to eliminate all doubt about the validity of the Episcopal orders. Even if, for example, the bishop who consecrated Archbishop Lefebvre was a formal member of the Freemasonic Lodge and withheld his intention to consecrate, the presence of the co-consecrators would render the argument useless because, for the Episcopal succession to fail, all of the consecrators would have to haven fallen. This is the first time I've read that the sacrament of Orders is conferred solely by the principle consecrator.

I am not doubting what you say, I really don't know enough to have a valid opinion on the matter.

Is this the opinion of the theologians? I don't even know where to look to see.


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Lycobates wrote:
Thomas Williams wrote:
First I've "heard" of this.

Waiting for any more established members to weigh in before considering an alteration to the OP.


I have no idea who would be an “established member” of this forum, but if Pope Benedict XIV and the theologian Matthias Scheeben and one or the other official of the defunct Sacred Congregation of Rites lived today, they might well qualify to weigh in. :wink:
I would give them the floor.

Only the Consecrator confers the sacrament of the Episcopacy. The co-consecrators do not. They only assist ritually and do not pronounce the words of the form. As a matter of fact, the term “co-consecrator” is not known in the Pontifical; they are always called Episcopi assistentes.


Actually Pius XII in his constitution "Episcopalis Consecrationis" (see link here http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_ ... is_lt.html) says that from then on the other 2 bishops are really co-consecrator and must say the form and impose the hands with the intention of performing the sacrament.

I couln´t find it in English, but this is the main part:

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Licet ad Episcopalis Consecrationis validitatem unus tantummodo requiratur Episcopus idemque sulficiat, cum essentiales ritus perficiat, nihilominus duo Episcopi, qui ex vetere instituto, secundum « Pontificalis Romani » praescriptum, adsunt Consecrationi, debent cum eodem Consecratore, et ipsi Consecratores effecti proindeque Conconsecratores deinceps vocandi, non solum utraque manu caput Electi tangere, dicentes « Accipe Spiritum Sanctum », sed, facta opportuno tempore mentis intentione conferendi Episcopalem Consecrationem una simul cum Episcopo Consecratore, orationem quoque « Propitiare » recitare cum integra sequenti Praefatione, itemque, universo ritu perdurante, ea omnia submissa voce legere quae Consecrator legit vel canit, exceptis tamen precibus ad pontificalium indumentorum benedictionem praescriptis, quae in ipso Consecrationis ritu sunt imponenda.

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Actually Pius XII in his constitution "Episcopalis Consecrationis" (see link here http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_ ... is_lt.html) says that from then on the other 2 bishops are really co-consecrator and must say the form and impose the hands with the intention of performing the sacrament.

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Licet ad Episcopalis Consecrationis validitatem unus tantummodo requiratur Episcopus idemque sulficiat, cum essentiales ritus perficiat, nihilominus duo Episcopi, qui ex vetere instituto, secundum « Pontificalis Romani » praescriptum, adsunt Consecrationi, debent cum eodem Consecratore, et ipsi Consecratores effecti proindeque Conconsecratores deinceps vocandi, non solum utraque manu caput Electi tangere, dicentes « Accipe Spiritum Sanctum », sed, facta opportuno tempore mentis intentione conferendi Episcopalem Consecrationem una simul cum Episcopo Consecratore, orationem quoque « Propitiare » recitare cum integra sequenti Praefatione, itemque, universo ritu perdurante, ea omnia submissa voce legere quae Consecrator legit vel canit, exceptis tamen precibus ad pontificalium indumentorum benedictionem praescriptis, quae in ipso Consecrationis ritu sunt imponenda.


Thank you very much for this link. It is very important.
This would radically change the matter, at least from 1944 onwards, when all assisting bishops, also outside Rome, would have started to apply this praxis of pronouncing the form of the sacrament together with the Consecrator.
The rubrics of the Pontifical would, I suppose, have been changed accordingly, too, as the Pope prescribes at the end of his constitution, but those new editions would not necessarily be available, and used, everywhere, not even today.
(I know that for some of the Thuc-consecrations a Pontifical of 1908 was used, but here there was only one consecrating bishop anyway.
My own library's copy is much older, 1765, and most online versions I know of do not have the change of 1944 either).

This being the case one should examine what was done precisely in Fr. Rifan's case (and others', too), which edition was used and which practice applied.
If Bishop Rangel pronounced the form while imposing (or extending) his hands, the consecration would be valid.

Thanks again for correcting this point!


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Lycobates wrote:
Thank you very much for this link. It is very important.


You are most welcome :D

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