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 Fr. Paul Aulagnier, forbidden to Celebrate Traditional Mass 
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For those who read German : http://www.kreuz.net/article.3243.html

Perhaps it's a grace, granted by God to wake him up.

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Is there any way to get a translation of the article? Thank you.

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tradcath97 wrote:
Is there any way to get a translation of the article? Thank you.


Yes, where is Mario Derkson when you need him? :)

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If Rev. Paul was "ordained" in the new rite, it is highly doubtful if he is a valid priest. The FSSP is as much of a con as the rest of the n.o. They try to lead sincere traditional Catholics to the novus ordo and then take away the Sacraments.

DEO Gratias, we still have some resistance with good traditioanl priests, validly Ordained, and--even though they might be liberal--valid clergy in the Byzantine Rite.


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The Smiling Irishman wrote:
If Rev. Paul was "ordained" in the new rite, it is highly doubtful if he is a valid priest. The FSSP is as much of a con as the rest of the n.o. They try to lead sincere traditional Catholics to the novus ordo and then take away the Sacraments.

DEO Gratias, we still have some resistance with good traditioanl priests, validly Ordained, and--even though they might be liberal--valid clergy in the Byzantine Rite.


Dear Sir,

I think there may well be sincere individuals in the Fraternity of St. Peter, but I agree, the organisation is a compromise and cannot do much good, and will do and has done much harm.

I understand that Fr. Aulangier was ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre and used to be relatively hard-line, then developed a soft-line (towards a deal with "rome"). He was expelled from the SSPX a couple of years ago for publicly promoting the Campos compromise and arguing publicly that the SSPX ought to do something similar.

He is probably a thoroughly sincere individual who has not yet studied the sedevacantist solution in any depth, and thus thinks that he must find a way to cling to Tradition with the approval of what he thinks is Rome. When one listens to intelligent and learned men such as Fr. Schmidberger present the case against our views, one realises with some consternation just how misconceived the opposition is, because the arguments are mostly very shallow or merely arguments against straw men. In one sense it gives rise to considerable hope, but we must get them to listen before we can do any good.

Let's not forget the usual means - prayer etc.

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New post Email response from Mario Derkson - a native German speaker.
From: Mario Derksen
Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2006 8:03 PM
To: John Lane
Subject: Re: Hmmm.

Dear John,

I wish I had the time to translate it! :) There's nothing too extraordinary there though. It's a little bit of the history of what transpired. Fr. Aulagnier is accusing the bishop of a "pathetic misuse of his office." He is protesting and saying that the bishop does not have the right to forbid him from celebrating the real Mass in PUBLIC. He is saying that to restrict a priest to a private celebration on 30 square meters is to reduce him to nothing and to attempt to kill him (very convincing argumentation!).

Originally, when the first signs came of a restricted celebration in private only, he figured that this wouldn't be seen too strictly and that the situation would eventually clear itself up and there would be no problem with a public Mass. When his celebret ran out in Feb. of 2005, it was renewed for one more year, and Aulagnier thought this was a positive development. But this year, the celebret didn't come, and Fr. got nervous. When a letter finally arrived on May 3, the chancellor and bishop both signed the document, and the celebret was entirely restricted to a private celebration of Mass.

That's the gist. :)
God bless,

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John Lane wrote:
From: Mario Derksen
Sent: Wednesday, 24 May 2006 8:03 PM
To: John Lane
Subject: Re: Hmmm.

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God bless,

Mario


Thank you for getting that information. Much appreciated.

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New post A pitiful abuse of office
From: Mario Derksen [mailto:mario.catholic2@spamslicer.com]
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 9:04 AM
To: Lane, John
Subject: Fw: Fr. Aulagnier forbidden to say Latin Mass in Public


John, another German speaker translated this as follows:

> A pitiful abuse of office
>
> A well-known former Priest of the SSPX has recently entered into open
> conflict with his new diocesan bishop. A long-time district superior of
> the SSPX in France, Fr. Aulaignier has has defied his ecclesial
> superior - the Archbishop of Clermont Ferrand.
> ...
> [Then there is a short biography of Fr. A., ending with the fact the he
> received from the archbishop a Celebret to say the old Mass ]
> ....
> However, on Tuesday the priest took a position sharply opposed to
> Archbishop Simon.
> The cause: the limitations imposed upon him in the celebration of the
> old Mass.
> According to Fr. Aulaignier, the bishop of Clermont Ferrand demanded from
> the beginning that he say the old Mass only in the narrowest family
> circle or in the presence of a few friends, in the church of his home
> parish.
> "I was also offered the opportunity to say the Mass alone in the near-by
> (old rite) benedictine monastery of Randol.
> "Optimisticly, I didn't pay much attention to these stipulations and I
> thought that these things would eventually fall into place," Fr.
> Aulaignier explained in his "position paper."
> But the archbishop insisted that Fr. Aulaignier only had a right to a
> "private" celebration of the Mass.
> The cleric remained hopeful: "I continued to believe that in this
> liturgical matter the pieces would eventually fall into place, especially
> since Benedict XVI was chosen in the conclave.
> He said that on his "Celebret" - which is an official document "ad usum
> publicum" - nothing stipulates that he could say the Mass only privately.
> Things seemed to develop positively. Then on Feb. 22, 2005 the Celebret
> was renewed for a further year. This time is was signed only by the
> chancellor of the Archdiocese.
> Fr. Aulaignier understood this to be a sign of normalisation.
> As the expiration date on this Celebret approached on Feb. 22, 2006, Fr.
> Aulaignier requested another renewal from the Curia. But for a long time
> nothing happened.
> "I remained silent because the Archbishop is not always pleased with what
> I write on my homepage, 'Item.'"
> Very late- on May 3 - Fr. Aulaignier received a letter from the chancery
> of the Archdiocese Clermont Ferrand. It said:
> "The See Clermont is pleased to send you the enclosed Celebret of the
> diocese of Clermont in order to renew your expired Celebret, by order of
> Mons. Simon.
> The new Celebret was signed by the chancellor and the archbishop.
> The archbishop even added with his own hand, after the Latin sentence "ad
> missam celebrandam" - to celebrate the Mass - in capital letters the note
> "privatim."
> "This is the reason I now protest, says Fr A. He made his protest public
> after informing Rome and Benedict XVI.
> "The Archbishop of Clermont does not have the right, in virtue of his
> episcopal power, to forbid my celebrating the Tridentine Mass publicly."


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